The increasing hate towards Islam and Muslims in my country is driving me INSANE. People are so full of themselves and in-tolerant to people who are different. Who cares what they believe? Hell, believe in the flying spaghetti monster for all I care, as long as you don't shove your religion down someone else's throat or worse it's all fine by me.
Have people forgotten that there are extremists in every bloody religion? And that most major religions did "bad" things in history? Stop putting everyone/everything into one single tiny box.
Yeah, I dislike Christianity for several reasons (mostly the way it's enacted by the people, the original intention is a nice discussion) but that doesn't mean I hate Christians. If I dislike someone I dislike them for personal reasons, and their religion can be a reason if that's something that makes them act like an ass, but that doesn't mean that all people with the same religion are just as bad as that single person. That would be equal to hating everyone with brown hair because you were once beaten up by someone with brown hair (though, sadly, there are enough people that do think and act this way).
People here are saying all the foreigners are so criminal and what not, but they seem to forget that "locals" are just as criminal! It's all about where you live if you ask me. There are not many foreigners where I live, but does that mean that this neighbourhood is perfect? HELL NO. Enough white Dutchies here that have seemingly gotten their genetic information from the bottom of the bloody gene pool. Skin colour, land of origin, religion, it doesn't matter one bit. It's all about how you are raised and if you know a little respect for your fellow human being. So stop blaming things that seem to be "easy" to control and start looking in the damn mirror and start working on YOURSELF.
Also, stop the bitching about the damn hijabs (the head dresses, not sure if I translated it right). If you are allowed to wear a cross around your neck, what's wrong with some hair dressing? Why do people even CARE what others do with their hair? As if they start bitching about a hat, a cap or a hoodie... As long as you can see one's face all is fine in my opinion.
All the hate, prejudice and blind judgement in this world is getting under my skin and makes me want to scream
Can't we all just live and let live?
"And it harm none, do what you will"
You don't have to start loving every single human being here (as there are a lot that I wouldn't even call human) but a little respect and tolerance PLEASE
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Now obviously not all of these radical Muslims actually do suicide bombings or any violent things like stoning rape victims, throwing gays off buildings etc etc, Majority of Muslims think the punishments are justified and dont EVER do anything to stop them but watch the executions completely unphased as if its a show, even if their own kids are on the line.
watch this, theres no violence shown (unless you decide to watch the whole clip from the link in the description) but watch that
" the extremists can't even be called Muslims as they break every single rule set in it in regards to warfare/fighting."
This is absolutely false, they are literally doing everything Quran tells them, they are the truest Muslims there are actually, because they do literally EVERYTHING right in their twisted worldview, they kill nonbelievers and marry kids, JUST LIKE MUHAMMED !!!!!
Majority of Muslims have this mentality : "Islam is a religion of peace and we dont want to be violent, but once you mock our religion all bets are off"ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/medi… Look at this, the number of Muslims in Britain who feel SYMPATHY for the Paris killers is 26%, not a crazy high number, but still quite alarming for a country like this. Take a guess how many Muslims in say Syria, Sudan or Iraq would say that gunning down an office-full of people because they drew a picture of Muhammed is "okay"
Edit : i'm just saying that just because you know muslims who are peaceful doesnt change the reality
I mean, they want to kill me, so???
(I did not mean this as 'hate speech'. I tried to mean it as 'not ALL muslims are bad'.)
this comment is a little old, and my opinions have since changed
i think some of the ideologies are not okay, but i do believe that /some/ Muslims can be nice decent people.
i don't think that stopping islam is okay, i just think they need a reformation of their ideologies and to heavily change the Qur'an's messages and evaluate if the content is okay or not.
things such as mistreating women, killing gay people, that sort of thing in the Qur'an is why i thought the way i did. Now i see it's the ideologies and not the people. Of course there are some Muslims who would like Sharia law and to kill gays ect. and they're horrib;e people who should be stopped. But there are definitely good and peaceful Muslims that want equality.
Also, even though I am halfway on it, I'll agree that some of the ayats (the writings) LOOK LIKE they are mistreating women and killing gay people. But those ayats are actually aren't against women/gays, but against the ones who are bad people (e.g: rapists, people who buried their daughters alive, thieves, etc.), if readed carefully.
"Of course there are some Muslims who would like Sharia law and to kill gays ect. and they're horrible people who should be stopped. But there are definitely good and peaceful Muslims that want equality."
I agree with you in that.
Yes, I understand what you're saying, but this doesn't change the fact that the people who are calling themselves muslims are slandering the name of Islam by throwing gays off of roofs, throwing acid on women's faces, forcing women to keep themselves covered, and keeping them uneducated as well. All in the name of Islam. Half of British Muslims want homosexuality to be illegal*, and they call themselves Muslim.
So don't you think they'd have thoroughly read through the Qu'ran before doing these awful things? And if so, why would they do these things anyway if it didn't say these things?
What will /true/ Muslims do to clear the name of Islam?
I'll agree that in Qur-an, there are some ayats which tells Muslims to punish the evil with [insert violent action here], but they are not for gays, women, etc; instead for people who were quislings, murderers, thieves, etc.
Some people are very dumb that they cannot understand what ayats mean, and tell it to everyone in a wrong way. Then, evil people benefit from these dumb people, do their evil things and blame religion.
>Islam's first rule is "Read" (Learn). /true/ Muslims have to do what their religion says (learning), and use the knowledge in good ways. This is the only way that we can save ourselves, since most Muslims nowadays are very ignorant, unfortunately.
At any rate, it's silly to even think extremists represent the actual Islamic faith, as the Quran states to not kill people -_- but I guess they just pick the parts they fancy...
There is a difference.
But yeah, that precisely.
There are 2 photographs imprinted in my mind regarding this concept. A ring of Christians protecting Muslims during prayer in Egypt during all the chaos of the uprising, and the other way around, a ring of Muslims protecting a church during a (what's the word?) mass (?). People can live side by side in perfect harmony, and it pains me that some can't.
What pains me even more is how different "flows" of a religion can also kill each other... Protestants against Catholics, or various Islamic streams Come on, same book, same god(s), just a few different rules, but still all the "love thy neighbour" (in some form) and that killing is a sin -_-*
People should be nicer to each other
Thanks for being one of the people out there that is able to show some love <3
Understandable in a way, though silly in another way. What if you were bullied at school by Muslims, you'd hate Muslims right? Well, what if was a Christian kid? An Asian kid? A black kid? You get my drift... People like to think in boxes and just because the attacks were supposedly done my Muslims everyone thinks it's a free pass to hate ALL Muslims, yet they forget it was done my extremists. And that last word is the key here. Extremist, no matter the religion (or no religion for that matter) fuck things up for everybody.
In 2011 there was a white Norwegian guy (Anders Behring Breivik) who killed 77 people, most of them children, and left 96 wounded. (wiki: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Nor… He was no Muslim, in fact he was so much ANTI Muslim that he did those terrible things!
I fear that there are a lot of people unaware of that...
why going towards someone's hair as an example? that's a good example but that's not just that:
when I was in the eighth class (second in junior) the entire class was great. just ONE (or two) who are super-bad. does everyone hate our class (mates) just because of that guy? NO!
same as Islam. if you believe its the worst religion/all about terror, then come to one of the countries and look around you goddamn it!
STOP JUDGING HUMANS FROM THEIR BELIEF!
People should be judged by their behaviour.
I'm from the Netherlands...
As for the vid... I must honestly admit that this is a new p.o.v. for me.
I don't really know what to say about it. It's true that a lot of people have not been getting children, for the mere fact that the current economy doesn't stimulate this at all. I see this in my family, friends and also in my own situation.
I do find one thing weird though, the vid states that Muslims have a lot of kids. But a certain group of Christians here in the Netherlands do the same (if not even have more kids o__o ) What I also find lacking in this vid is the rise of people without religion. There are also a lot of Muslim born people that go atheist or atleast become non-practising Muslims.
I don't fear a culture going lost, as culture has always been subjected to change throughout history. It's just how things go.
All I'd want for the future is that people, no matter where they come from or what they believe in, to respect each other and live beside one another in peace.
But if they are dressed in burkas and are faithful muslims the be assured that when they become majority they will want to apply Sharia law, and if that happens get ready for violence and cultural strugg.
I keep smiling a bit as I read this, can't help it I'm not patriotic, a lot of the Dutch people aren't. When I look at the USA it kinda scares me how "patriotic" they can be I don't care about religion either, I think everyone should be free to believe what they want and practise what they want as long as they don't hurt anyone with it (like I always say: you can believe in the spaghetti monster for all I care, just live & let live )
As for problems with Muslims, I can honestly say I never had any. I have trouble with people, and most of those are "pure Dutch". In the bigger cities it's often more people who immigrated but that's only because there simply are more of them and people tend to notice problems caused by immigrants sooner than those by "natives".
I grew up with cultural diversity. My best friend at elementary was Asian, there were 3 girls with hijabs, a boy or 3 who were from either Turkey or Morocco (I don't remember). We actually had fun learning about each other's culture. We all celebrated easter and christmas, we learned about their sugar feast and when the girls got henna on their hands we were all in line to get some too. So yeah, I don't understand why people from different cultures can't live in peace with one another simply because I don't know any better....
I only saw 1 burka here in the Netherlands in all my years, and I'm quite sure that a law like the Sharia won't become law here, simply because we like to keep religion and law separated (I don't even understand how a political party is allowed to have religious based views, but that's a different story.
Also I've seen a lot of Muslim born people chose to live a life much more free/without (as much) religion as their parents. The same happened with a lot of Christian families. So I don't really see any threat in that...
It's just that I don't want people to lose themselves in fear and irrational hate... I don't know if you knew this but I just told this to another commenter so I will copy it here too:
In 2011 there was a white Norwegian guy (Anders Behring Breivik) who killed 77 people, most of them children, and left 96 wounded. (wiki: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Nor… ) He was no Muslim, in fact he was so much ANTI Muslim that he did those terrible things!
I fear that there are a lot of people unaware of that...
As for my sex, I'm a woman (which you could have seen if you had taken the time to look at my profile). And I don't know if you were trying to insult me or not, but if you find me too soft, that's fine. I can be a bitch and yell and scream, but I don't see how any problems/discussions were ever solved by that I like having a good discussion and in the end there is no need for one side "winning" either. A good discussion in my opinion is one where both parties leave at the end having become wiser.